On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 5:12 AM, Boris Brezillon boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com wrote:
Hi Archit,
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 10:56:20 +0530 Archit Taneja architt@codeaurora.org wrote:
Hi Boris, Laurent,
On 07/28/2015 08:08 PM, Boris Brezillon wrote:
Archit, Laurent,
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:47:37 +0530 Archit Taneja architt@codeaurora.org wrote:
Hi,
On 07/27/2015 02:29 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
Hi Archit,
(CC'ing Boris Brezillon)
Thank you for the patch.
On Monday 27 July 2015 11:46:57 Archit Taneja wrote:
ADV7511 is represented as an i2c drm slave encoder device. ADV7533, on the other hand, is going be a normal i2c client device creating bridge and connector entities.
Please, no. It's really time to stop piling hacks and fix the problem properly. There's no reason to have separate APIs for I2C slave encoders and DRM bridges. Those two APIs need to be merged, and then you'll find it much easier to implement ADV7533 support.
i2c slave encoders and bridges aren't exactly the same. slave encoders are used when the there is no real 'encoder' in the display chain. bridges are used when there is already an encoder available, and the bridge entity represents another encoder in the chain.
ADV7511 takes in RGB/MIPI DPI data, which is generally the output of a crtc for drm drivers.
ADV7533 takes in MIPI DSI data, which is generally the output of an encoder for drm drivers.
Therefore, having i2c slave encoder for the former and bridge for the latter made sense to me.
I do agree that it would be better if they were somehow merged. It would prevent the fragmentation we currently have among encoder chips.
One possible way would be to convert slave encoder to bridge. With this, an i2c slave encoder would be a 'dummy encoder' and a bridge. i2c slave encoders even now just tie the slave encoder helper funcs to encoder helper funcs. So it's not really any different.
Merging these 2 entities would be nice, but we're still shying away from the larger problem of creating generic encoder chains. The ideal solution would be for bridges and slave encoders to just be 'encoders', and the facility to connect on encoder output to the input of another. I don't know how easy it is to do this, and whether it'll break userspace.
Yes, that's pretty much what I was trying to do. I'd also like to ease display pipelines creation by providing helper functions, so that display controller don't have to worry about encoders and connectors creation if these ones are attached to external encoders.
Archit
Boris, I know you were experimenting with that, do you have anything to report ?
Nope, I didn't work on it since last time we talked about it. I pushed my work here if you want to have a look [1].
I went through the branch you shared. From what I understood, the encoder chain comprises of one 'real' encoder object (drm_encoder) in the 'drm_encoder_chain' struct. This drm_encoder encapsulates all the 'encoder elements' forming the chain.
I'm guessing the various dridge/slave encoder drivers would have to be changed to now create a drm_encoder_element object, replacing drm_bridge/drm_i2c_slave_encoder objects.
One problem I see with this approach is that we can't use this when the display controller already exposes a drm_encoder. I.e, it already creates a drm_encoder object. If we want the encoder chain to be connected to the output of this encoder, we'll need to link the 2 drm_encoders together, which isn't possible at the moment.
Actually my goal was to move everybody to the drm_encoder_element model, even the encoder directly provided by the display controller IP. If the internal encoder is actually directly connected to a connector, then the encoder chain will just contain one element, but everything should work fine.
so.. I'd be careful about changing the role of drm_encoder, as it does play a small role in the interface exposed to userspace.
If you do anything, I think you need to make i2c-encoder-slave stuff look like a drm_bridge + drm_connector, since bridge is not visible to userspace and can already be chained... which I think ends up making it more like how adv7533 looks w/ archit's patches.
That said, the adv7511 type case (raw parallel output) is kind of a better fit for the existing i2c-slave-encoder model, vs adv7533 where you already have a dsi encoder and is a better fit for the drm_bridge model. So maybe there is still a place for both.
At any rate, if we do unify, I think we should go towards the drm_bridge + drm_connector approach and migrate i2c-encoder users over to that. Which would make Archit's approach a reasonable transition step. We just drop the i2c-encoder part of it when none of the adv7511 users still depend on that.
BR, -R
I guess we have two ways to go about this:
- Have an approach like this where all the entities in the encoder
chain connect to just one encoder. We define the sequence in which they are connected. The drm kms framework acts as if this chain doesn't exist, and assumes that this is what the encoder is outputting.
Yep, that's pretty much what I've done. The main reason for doing that is to keep the interface with the userspace unchanged.
- Make each element in the chain be a 'drm_encoder' object in itself.
This would be a more intrusive change, since drm_encoders are expected to receive an input from crtc, and output to a connector. Furthermore, it may confuse userspace what encoder to chose.
That's why Laurent suggested to go for the 1st approach.
For 1), we could either work more on your approach, or use drm_bridges. drm_bridges can already be chained to each other, and bridge ops of each bridge in the chain are called successively. It still relies on the device drivers to form the chain, which is something your approach takes care of by itself. But that's something that can be extended for bridges too.
Can we really chain several bridges ?
Also note that I plan to automate the encoder chain creation, or at least provide helper functions so that in standard cases the display controller does not have to bother creating its encoder chain. This is particularly true for platforms supporting DT, the encoder chain + connector can be declared in a generic way, and the core could provide helper functions to parse and create the encoder chain and the endpoint connector.
Laurent,
Merging i2c slave encoders and bridges is possible, but there is no guarantee that the new solution would be future proof and work well with encoder chains. We needed more consensus from folks on dri-devel.
I'll let Laurent correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the plan was to move all slave encoders and bridges to the encoder element representation.
Best Regards,
Boris
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