Hi everyone! As I'm sure most of you heard by now, Freenode's staff has had a falling out and it's been recommended by their staff that projects consider the network a hostile entity. I won't go into the details here, but those who are interested can read up here:
https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/
At the moment, the vast majority of IRC channels for various Freedesktop and X.org projects currently reside on Freenode. While the X.org foundation doesn't have any official policies on IRC hosting, because of how frequently IRC is used by various projects in our community we on the board decided to make a non-binding recommendation on an IRC network we think would be good to move to. We're also looking at ways to provide some resources to help channels move en masse. We hope this will enable interested projects to migrate to the same new IRC network in order to ensure they're all in the same place.
After considering Libera and OFTC as options, the board settled on recommending OFTC. The primary reason for this is because OFTC is associated with our parent foundation SPI, and has a long and well known history of involvement with the open source community. As well, the board believes OFTC's current Governance model is a lot more clear then Libera's.
On Friday, May 21st, 2021 at 1:49 AM, Lyude Paul lyude@redhat.com wrote:
After considering Libera and OFTC as options, the board settled on recommending OFTC. The primary reason for this is because OFTC is associated with our parent foundation SPI, and has a long and well known history of involvement with the open source community. As well, the board believes OFTC's current Governance model is a lot more clear then Libera's.
I'd personally prefer Libera Chat. They don't yet have a published formal governance model, but I hope this will come soon. As the former Freenode staff, I trust them to make sure mistakes from the past won't be repeated.
Apart from politics, Libera also offers a more modern feature set. This can ease daily usage, with features such as reliable authentication, account tracking, and many other IRC protocol improvements. OFTC has plans to eventually migrate to Solanum, but they don't have the time to do it for now.
For reference, on OFTC:
CAP LS 302 :kinetic.oftc.net CAP * LS :multi-prefix
And on Libera:
CAP LS 302 :ruthenium.libera.chat CAP * LS :account-notify away-notify chghost extended-join multi-prefix sasl=PLAIN,ECDSA-NIST256P-CHALLENGE,EXTERNAL tls userhost-in-names account-tag cap-notify echo-message solanum.chat/identify-msg solanum.chat/realhost
Indeed, a lot of communities are moving to Libera. However, centralization is what caused the mess with freenode in the first place, thus communities spreading to different services may not be such a bad idea. As long as the channels themselves are not split, that is.
On 21/05/2021 15:33, Simon Ser wrote:
On Friday, May 21st, 2021 at 1:49 AM, Lyude Paul lyude@redhat.com wrote:
After considering Libera and OFTC as options, the board settled on recommending OFTC. The primary reason for this is because OFTC is associated with our parent foundation SPI, and has a long and well known history of involvement with the open source community. As well, the board believes OFTC's current Governance model is a lot more clear then Libera's.
I'd personally prefer Libera Chat. They don't yet have a published formal governance model, but I hope this will come soon. As the former Freenode staff, I trust them to make sure mistakes from the past won't be repeated.
Apart from politics, Libera also offers a more modern feature set. This can ease daily usage, with features such as reliable authentication, account tracking, and many other IRC protocol improvements. OFTC has plans to eventually migrate to Solanum, but they don't have the time to do it for now.
For reference, on OFTC:
CAP LS 302 :kinetic.oftc.net CAP * LS :multi-prefixAnd on Libera:
CAP LS 302 :ruthenium.libera.chat CAP * LS :account-notify away-notify chghost extended-join multi-prefix sasl=PLAIN,ECDSA-NIST256P-CHALLENGE,EXTERNAL tls userhost-in-names account-tag cap-notify echo-message solanum.chat/identify-msg solanum.chat/realhost
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